Sonic Forces is why the Sonic community argues so much.
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Sonic Forces Has RUINED The Sonic Community…
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Intro: (0:00)
Reception of my last video: (0:40)
Sonic Forces Made Sonic Fans Lose Trust: (2:07)
Why Sonic Forces Affected The Community: (4:16)
How This Affected Sonic Frontiers: (5:54)
New Sonic Trailers Are Miserable To Watch: (8:12)
SEGA Broke Our Trust: (15:24)
Outro: (17:39)
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Video edited by: @SefWhiter
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Sonic P-06 Footage: @BeatzYT
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Sonic Adventure Footage: @RyzenAcrux
Sonic Frontiers Cyberspace Footage: @Shadiochao
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Liked this video man, I'm in total concordance with the points that you gave in this topic.
I think that yeah, it's to soon to criticize a product if the provider didn't even told you anything about it besides it's a chips bag (being the chips bag the gameplay of shadow portion in SxS generations (like only have boost formula)) and it's also correct not trusting him 'cause all the products that the promised you to be good end up being deplorable.
Ugh this game was so boring!. Yall complained about 06 but this was way worse. I liked 06 and P-06 has made it even better.
I think most important point here was kinda buried in the video. You were a meta era kid and loved everything you played till Forces. That's going to be most people. Whatever crazy discussions we have, the last several games we got were generally well received (yes even Superstars). So for the new fans coming in, especially the kids who have been growing up with the movies and Prime, they will have a good time. Cause while Forces was highly disliked, these new entries in the hands of those just looking for a good time will be great for them. They are the majority of the consumer base. Gens is also a solid game that a lot of these kids missed out on so it's just more good game for them regardless how the new stuff is like. That being said, cyberspace's biggest issues were the unoriginality in design and aesthetic. Both of those seem to be addressed so the Shadow segment will likely also be good for most.
Did forces taint the series, yes, however, fans (as usual) are overreacting with the 5 seconds of gameplay we got of the shadow portion. There was a literal split pathway in the part we saw.
you're making me paranoid
the truth of the matter is people just want to bitch about something, anything.
enjoyment is subjective, show people 5 3 second clips of the original super mario, no matter what you say it's pure speculation, pre release trailers aren't reliable as a source and neither are the whiny fanboys crying because some neckbeard redditor says "ACKTUALLY these frames are subpar so all game bad"
give me a fucking break, people need to quit whining, if it's bad it's bad if it's good it's good quit imagining some bullshit trust for a company that doesn't give a shit about you, toxic positivity, toxic negativity, it's a TOXICITY problem, not a game problem, both sides are wrong
is the game good, is it bad?
neither, and it won't be either way so put down the flame war goggles and chill watch people play the game before buying it ffs IT'S NOT THAT HARD TO AVOID BAD GAMES
See I'm a huge Sonic fan, but I dont consider myself into the community. They're just give out too much negative energy.
Sonic Forces isn’t as Bad as Sonic Boom Rise of Lyric
I can't say Forces was the cause of that divide. That's the same divide you'll see in any fan community. Plus, Sonic lost the trust of fans waaaaay before Forces.
Great vid
Man, you have a vinyl of College Dropout. This is already a huge argument to your position, I can't disagree all u say.
The sonic community destroyed their own fanbase … everyone seems to still have ptsd from forces
For me, Lost World and Frontiers ruined the Sonic community. The only good thing those games have is the music.
See, i grew up with sonic back when i was a kid, like, 2008, when Jason Griffith voiced Sonic, and also during Sonic Advance 3, the first Sonic game I've ever played.
I even didn't know that Sonic 06 was a thing till a few years later, and looking at it now, it was a buggy mess 😂
Now, since some of the newer games have had (apparently) Horrible feedback, im starting to fear that one day Sonic's franchise will soon come to an end, and no more Sonic games will be released, which will make some people, incl myself, very sad. However, i really want to know what Sonic fans WANT out of a sonic game and what made them fans to begin with.
I won't say that the newer fans are toxic fans that hate sonic, but i will say that we need a game that will make many, if not all, fans happy.
Buuuut I guess that's just my opinion!😅
That game sucks
This community was ruined before forces
Sonic Forces overclocked is way better
The mobile version speed battle is actually better than the pc one 😂
Sonic Forces is a game that did fracture our community, but thie community ruined itself. We have so many unbelievable dumb and halfwit people in the Sonic community and honestly we cant blame one game for ruining a whole community when the kids in said community, complain, rant, make dumb arguements and just destroy eachother over personal taste.
Forces didn't break the fans, the fans were already so broken by then that they couldn't accept a game that was relatively better than the games right before (LW & Boom) unless that game was going to be perfect. You can blame Sega's marketing all you want, but at the end of the day nothing that happened with Forces was generally all the different from any other Sonic game we pretend is flawless. The fans just weren't mature enough or aware enough of the franchise's fraught history with game development to understanding of any of it. It's the same reason why even when Sonic makes banger content (Frontiers, Prime, the movies, etc) the fans WILL tear it apart even if deep down they enjoy what they saw. No one hates Sonic more than the fans that "love" him.
I'd say this sh*t happened as back as 2005 though 2006 when Sega changed the Voice actors from the Dreamcast cast to the 4kids cast and how awful Sonic 06 is and Sonic Forces made things worse
From what I heard the producer from Forces is behind the Shadow Generations portion…If that's true then the PTSD is warranted…
I’m an Adventure Era guy, and seeing that they were daring enough to bring back Black Doom piques my interest.
Generations and Unleashed are great; Gens, prior to Mania, being the last game I played through keeping up with the series.
Give that editor a medal for using 5 second clips of all games which makes the video interactive by making me think "Huh would I judge that game just by seeing that?"
Brilliant editing, I love stuff like that
Boost gameplay has always been bad. And maybe people liked the first few games because they were a refreshing change.
But you can't do that many interesting things with this gameplay style. It's boring and to me it always has been so it feels more like people slowly come to the realization that Boost gameplay feels like the worst race car simulator they ever played. What kind of level design do you expect?
My trust was broken with unleashed when I was a kid and it was the reason why I started reading reviews.
So I never fall into the Boost gameplay trap again
Sonic Forces taught me how it feels to hate a piece of media to an unhealthy degree.
Every now and then, I still suffer from random bursts of rage just thinking about it.
I sent you a tweet pointing out that 06 really left a stain on the franchise that will probably never wash away. Sonic will probably never reach the heights it once reached again, thanks to 06.
Realistically, WHY WOULD A CORPORATION WILLINGLY PICK BAD PARTS OF A GAME when they want you to BUY the game based on that trailer?
I really hate that ur right, we see a trailer we're hype then we rewatch it and analyse every minor detail and start to lose faith
14:20 you literally just missed the biggest portion here there’s a hidden path so there’s definitely SOME extra gameplay
nah, sonic generations ruined the sonic franchise as a whole, its only built up by the mods a still loving fan base made, mario has become a character with more personality then the sonic we have now the games are either bad rehashes of old titles or awful new takes that slow you down to a crawl and implement some of the strangest and laziest game Mechanics ive seen in any game (sonic frontiers and boom come to mind) sure the old sonic storys were weird but after boom, forces, frontiers, colors and lost world ive just come to the conclusion sonic team doesnt understand how to make any sort of story with a personality not akin to cardboard anymore, 2D sections need to be reserved to 2D games only thats just how it is while frontiers is mid as hell at least its open world has finally got us out of this subway surfers autorunner sonic we've had for years now, people rag on me for liking sonic and the secret rings with the same argument BUT YOU CANT TURN OR DO ANYTHING ELSE EITHER at least rings had decent level design and alternate routs that required you to fo a little more then just go up or down, the franchise is a walking corpse held up by a fanbase that will bend over backwards defending sonic team for poor decision making, terrible handling of a character that was designed to have an abundance of spunk and personality, and finally absolutely zero fan awareness having originally CHARGED ACTUAL FUCKING MONEY FOR SUPER SONIC in forces, super sonic, was dlc. all im waiting for is the long asked for but likely never to see the light of day Sonic Unleashed pc release. All that being said if you love sonic just play a fangame, they've gotten pretty good and despite having downright strange design decisions thats the closest were getting to a genuine sonic game
"Been down this road before, already know this story~"
Bruh i just want another adventure style game, haven't had one since 06😩
Desde Sonic Forces eu fico mais cauteloso quando um jogo novo é revelado, os jogos não são baratos e empresas não são locais de caridade, se o produto é caro e não aparenta valer o preço que é cobrado eu vou reclamar sim mesmo que vários fãs não gostem e tomem isso como ataque pessoal, críticas são necessárias para um produto melhor como você mesmo citou no vídeo, eu estou empolgado com o conteúdo do Shadow mesmo que o Cyberspace tenha sido a parte que eu menos gostei de Sonic Frontiers eu ainda consegui tirar certa diversão em vários estágios.
Eu não diria que confio 100% na Sonic Team sobre o novo conteúdo do Shadow mas que ao menos não espero algo tão simples ao nível do Forces, alguns estágios originais no Cyberspace do Frontiers mostram como eles podem e conseguem ainda fazer algo divertido aos moldes de boost mesmo que não seja mais o time antigo de level designers, é na mesma qualidade que Unleashed e Generations? Não, mas está bem à frente da qualidade do Forces e eu arriscaria dizer até do Colors.
Se os estágios de chefes tiverem a movimentação do Open-Zone eu já fico mais contente, é algo que eles precisam manter do Frontiers em diante em qualquer momento "mais livre" que eles queiram fazer nos jogos.
Don't hate me for this but Sonic forces is not that bad for me it was an Pretty good game and was fun to play with and there are worse Sonic games (Sonic O6)
I feel if I’m allowed to sing a snippet of gameplay’s praises I should also be allowed to critique snippets of gameplay based on what I’m shown
Take it from someone who’s been a Sonic fan for about two decades now. Just like what you like. You don’t need the validation of your favorite YouTuber to like/dislike something. Life is too short. Just enjoy what makes you happy
I always liked the boost formula level format. Unleashed, Colors, Generations, Forces, Frontiers, all of em! The levels are never the problem for me, it's always how the movement feels. It was so good in Generations. Forces fell flat with the auto-running and weird, choppy momentum. And Frontiers was just too slow and sticky for me. Generations had near perfect movement to match the levels. He cut through the air with his speed, and moved well enough through the level without feeling like a racecar driving through syrup.